Obama v. McCain: Who's right on Iraq?: The Swamp
 
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Posted July 19, 2008 3:18 PM

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by Jill Zuckman

As Sen. Barack Obama touches down in Afghanistan and later in Iraq, his campaign is already gloating that he has repeatedly made the right call while Sen. John McCain has not.

"First, on the biggest foreign policy questions of the last eight years, Barack Obama has made the right judgment and John McCain has sided with George Bush in making the wrong one," said a memo from the Obama campaign. "Second, the failure of the McCain-Bush foreign policy has forced John McCain to change his position, and to embrace the very same Obama approaches that he once attacked."

The memo said that McCain has been forced by events to come over to Obama's side on putting more U.S. troops in Afghanistan and in negotiating directly with Iran.

"The next shift appears to be Iraq. For months, Senator McCain has called any plan to redeploy our troops from Iraq "surrender" - even though we'd be leaving Iraq to a sovereign Iraqi government," the memo said. "Now, the Bush Administration is embracing the negotiation of troop withdrawals with the Iraqi government - a position that Senator Obama called for last September, and reiterated on Monday in the New York Times. And now, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki supports Barack Obama's timeline, telling Der Speigel that, "Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months."

The McCain campaign, however, begs to differ, noting that it was McCain who stood up and protested a bad strategy, allowing the situation to improve.

Let's be clear, the only reason that the conversation about reducing troop levels in Iraq is happening is because John McCain challenged the failed Rumsfield-strategy in Iraq and argued for the surge strategy that is responsible for the successes we've achieved and which Barack Obama opposed," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds. "Unlike Barack Obama, John McCain has never ignored the facts on the ground in Iraq, he's never avoided the warzone before proposing new strategy, and he's never voted against funding our troops in the field. If John McCain was following Barack Obama's lead on foreign policy, the United States would have already withdrawn from Iraq in a humiliating defeat at the hands of al Qaeda."

To read the entire Obama memo, click on the jump.


To: Interested Parties

From: The Obama Campaign

RE: Obama Leading on Foreign Policy, McCain Following

There are two problems with John McCain's political attacks on Barack Obama's foreign policy. First, on the biggest foreign policy questions of the last eight years, Barack Obama has made the right judgment and John McCain has sided with George Bush in making the wrong one. Second, the failure of the McCain-Bush foreign policy has forced John McCain to change his position, and to embrace the very same Obama approaches that he once attacked.

Just this week, Senator McCain has been forced by events to switch to Barack Obama's position on two fundamental issues: more troops in Afghanistan, and more diplomacy with Iran. On both issues, Obama took stands that weren't politically popular at the time - opposing the war in Iraq as a diversion from the critical mission in Afghanistan, and standing up for direct diplomacy with Iran - while John McCain lined up with George Bush. Time has proven Obama's judgment right and McCain wrong.

The next shift appears to be Iraq. For months, Senator McCain has called any plan to redeploy our troops from Iraq "surrender" - even though we'd be leaving Iraq to a sovereign Iraqi government. Now, the Bush Administration is embracing the negotiation of troop withdrawals with the Iraqi government - a position that Senator Obama called for last September, and reiterated on Monday in the New York Times. And now, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki supports Barack Obama's timeline, telling Der Speigel that, "Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months."

Afghanistan -

· McCain at the beginning of the week: more of the same

· McCain at the end of the week: more troops

Barack Obama said in 2002 that we had to finish the fight against Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda in Afghanistan instead of invading Iraq. John McCain was George Bush's biggest supporter for a war in Iraq that took our eye off of Afghanistan, arguing that we would be "greeted as liberators"; that democracy would spread across the region; and that we could "muddle through" in Afghanistan. On the most important foreign policy judgment of our generation, Obama got it right and McCain got it wrong.

Since then, our overwhelming focus on Iraq has caused us to shortchange Afghanistan. The result is clear. Osama bin Laden is still at large. Al Qaeda has reconstituted a sanctuary along the Pakistani border. The Taliban is on the offensive. June was the highest casualty month of the war. And Obama's judgment was reaffirmed earlier this month, when Admiral Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, said, "I don't have troops I can reach for, brigades I can reach, to send into Afghanistan until I have a reduced requirement in Iraq."

Barack Obama has consistently called for more troops and resources in Afghanistan. In August of 2007, he called for at least two additional U.S. combat brigades and $1 billion in non-military assistance. Senator McCain continued to march in lockstep with the failed Bush policy, and even argued earlier this year that "Afghanistan is not in trouble because of our diversion to Iraq." This past week, Senator McCain changed his position for political reasons, embracing Obama's call for more troops the day after Obama restated it in a New York Times op-ed, and almost one year after Obama's initial plan. McCain's proposal was complicated by the fact that the McCain campaign couldn't even get its answer straight on whether those troops would come from the U.S. or our NATO allies - leading the Times to wonder "how well formed his ideas are."

SENDING MORE TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN

Gergen: "In The Last Two Days We've Seen Twice Now The Bush Administration Reverse Itself And Take Positions That Are Much Closer To Obama's," Added "The Greater Danger To Our Troops Right Now Is In Afghanistan. That's What Obama's Been Arguing All Along." David Gergen: "For the last few months, John McCain has had the upper hand in the arguments about foreign policy, as one of the chief architects of a surge that Obama voted against and then it seemed to work. And yet in the last two days we've seen twice now the Bush administration reverse itself and take positions that are much closer to Obama's. Last night we talked about the fact that suddenly the Bush administration had reversed course and was going to begin talking directly to Iran this weekend, and now tonight we're talking about them reversing course and saying we must send more troops into Afghanistan, and Afghanistan is becoming in many ways at least as dangerous as Iraq. You know, last -- in June, there were virtually the same number of American troops who died in Afghanistan as in Iraq, and yet in Iraq we have five times as many troops. So the danger, the greater danger to our troops right now is in Afghanistan. That's what Obama's been arguing all along." [Anderson Cooper, CNN, 7/16/08]

LA Times Columnist: After Years Of Saying Afghanistan Was Not A Threat, McCain Is Now Calling For More Troops There, "Maybe Because Barack Obama Keeps Hammering Away At The Issue." LA Times columnist Rosa Brooks wrote, "Immediately after 9/11, McCain shared the widespread view that the U.S. should go to war in Afghanistan to take out those responsible for the 9/11 attacks. But by late November 2001, he wanted to "move on to the next country." Uh-huh: "Next up, Baghdad!" Of course, we stayed in Afghanistan too, but McCain had gotten tired of it. By April 2003, he said that "nobody in Afghanistan threatens the United States of America," so we could focus instead on the shiny new war in Iraq. "We don't read about [Afghanistan] anymore, because it's succeeded," he explained in October 2005. But Iraq started getting boring too, so now McCain has turned his restless attention back to Afghanistan -- maybe because Barack Obama keeps hammering away at the issue. (Obama, who's been fairly consistent on Afghanistan for six years now, is either the rare politician who doesn't suffer from ADD, or he's smart enough to take his meds.)" [Rosa Brooks Column, LA Times, 7/17/08]

IRAN

· McCain at the beginning of the week: against high-level talks with Iran

· McCain at the end of the week: praised Bush Administration's high-level talks with Iran

Barack Obama has consistently said that our policy of not pursuing direct diplomacy with Iran has failed, and he has made it clear that he favors direct talks with the Iranian regime in order to advance our interests. Senator McCain and President Bush have ridiculed Obama's support for direct diplomacy with the Iranian regime. In his trip to Israel, President Bush took implicit aim at Senator Obama, and suggested his proposals for tough diplomacy constituted "appeasement," while McCain said Obama's approach was "naive" and "shows a lack of experience.

Here is the record of the McCain-Bush approach. Iran has advanced its illicit nuclear program. Iran is now enriching uranium, and has reportedly stockpiled 150 kilos of low enriched uranium. Iran's support for terrorism has increased. Iran's threats toward Israel have increased. Those are the facts, they cannot be denied. McCain has fully supported this failed policy, while Obama has called for a new direction.

This week the Bush administration finally appeared to recognize that it is reckless refusal to participate in talks with our European allies and the Iranian regime had failed. The Bush Administration shifted its policy, and is sending a top-ranking State Department official to join in nuclear talks across the table from Iran in Geneva Senator McCain, a long-time critic of diplomatic engagement with Iran, now changed his position to Obama's and said that he had "no problem...whatsoever" with this high-level diplomatic engagement with Iran. For the second time in one week, events on the ground forced John McCain to change his position to embrace an Obama position.

TALKS WITH IRAN

Stephanopoulous: "Undersecretary Of State William Burns Will Be Meeting With The Iranians This Weekend As Part Of Their Nuclear Talks," Obama Has "Been Calling For Those Kind Of Talks For A Long Time." George Stephanopoulous said, "Senator McCain has moved more towards Barack Obama's position on Afghanistan, calling for two or three more brigades in Afghanistan which Obama's called for a long time and watch for this, Chris. We just learned today that the Undersecretary of State William Burns will be meeting with the Iranians this weekend as part of their nuclear talks. Watch for the Obama campaign to say this vindicates Barack Obama's position. He's been calling for those kind of talks for a long time." [ABC Good Morning America, 7/16/08]

Gibson: Bush Administration Insisted It Would Not Talk With Iran, But Its New Willingness to Talk "Is Essentially What Barack Obama Has Been Proposing." Charlie Gibson: "The Bush administration, for years, has insisted it would not talk with Iran until Iran suspended its nuclear enrichment program. That policy was reversed today. The State Department said it will send Undersecretary of State William Burns to meet face-to-face with Iran's nuclear negotiator this weekend. So, Martha Raddatz is here to explain what seems like a major turnaround...There are political implications to this because this is essentially what Barack Obama has been proposing, isn't it?" Martha Raddatz said, "It sure sounds like it, Charlie. There's a good quote today, from John Bolton, the former U.N. ambassador. He said this is like getting an Obama administration six months early. The White House says it's very different. But it sure sounds like it's heading in that direction." [ABC World News, 7/16/08]

Bolton Sarcastically Said Bush Shift Toward Talking To Iran "Is The State Department Effort To Insure A Smooth Transition To The Obama Administration." John Bolton said of the Bush Administration's agreeing to talks with Ira, "Even if this is a one time only event in the Bush administration, it legitimizes the Obama administration to do the same thing," he said. "It undercuts McCain, and Republicans on the Hill. This is the State Department effort to insure a smooth transition to the Obama administration." [New York Sun, 7/17/08]

Washington Post: While Bush Administration Opposed US Officials Accompanying Solana To Iran Talks, "Obama Campaign Officials Had Said That One Of The First Steps He Would Take As President Would Be To End The Ban On U.S. Officials Accompanying Solana." "Administration officials have long insisted that U.S. representatives would not join even preliminary discussions with Tehran until it stops enriching uranium -- a distinction that presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama has called counterproductive. In June, when Solana traveled to Tehran to present a sweetened offer to Iran to negotiate, the United States pointedly did not join other members of the international coalition in sending a senior official to the meeting. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said at the time that no U.S. representative would attend unless 'Iran suddenly has a change of tune and says that they will meet the demands of the international community, which are expressed in U.N. Security Council resolutions.' European officials hailed the news that Burns would come to Geneva as a breakthrough, one that sends a clear message to Iran that the international community is interested in negotiating a solution to the nuclear impasse. 'It is a very interesting and important sign by the United States,' one senior European official said last night. Obama campaign officials had said that one of the first steps he would take as president would be to end the ban on U.S. officials accompanying Solana." [Washington Post, 7/15/08]

The Guardian: McCain has "no problem...whatsoever" with high-level talks with Iran. "John McCain, said he had 'no problem . . . whatsoever' with Burns going to the Geneva meeting, but repeated said he would not meet Ahmadinejad. " [The Guardian (London), 7/18/08]

IRAQ

Barack Obama has consistently called for a responsible redeployment of our troops from Iraq so that we can press the Iraqis to take responsibility for their country, restore our military, and finish the fight in Afghanistan. It is in America's interests to end the Iraq War responsibly, and it is in the interest of the Iraqi people to have a government that reconciles its differences and takes responsibility for the future of Iraq.

John McCain has consistently labeled any plan to remove U.S. troops from Iraq as "surrender." However, just this week, the White House agreed on a "general time horizon" for the removal of U.S. troops from Iraq. And speaking to Der Spiegel, Prime Minister Maliki said, "Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months." He went on to say, "Artificially prolonging the tenure of US troops in Iraq would cause problems."

Senator McCain has said that we must leave Iraq when the sovereign government of Iraq wants us to. Now that the White House has shifted closer to Senator Obama's position on negotiating the redeployment of our troops from Iraq, and the Prime Minister of the sovereign government of Iraq has endorsed Senator Obama's 16 month timeline, will Senator McCain shift his position on redeploying troops from Iraq? Why does Senator McCain refuse to press the Iraqis to stand up? Why does Senator McCain want to stay in Iraq longer than we need to and longer than the Iraqis want us to? Does Senator McCain think it would be "surrender" to leave Iraq to the Iraqi government?

Council on Foreign Relations, McCain: "I don't see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people" QUESTION: Let me give you a hypothetical, senator. What would or should we do if, in the post-June 30th period, a so-called sovereign Iraqi government asks us to leave, even if we are unhappy about the security situation there? I understand it's a hypothetical, but it's at least possible. McCAIN: Well, if that scenario evolves, then I think it's obvious that we would have to leave because-- if it was an elected government of Iraq-- and we've been asked to leave other places in the world. If it were an extremist government, then I think we would have other challenges, but I don't see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people. http://www.cfr.org/publication/6973/ {April 22, 2004}


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Neither - you can't figure a war this way, plus Iran is still hostile-


Who is right on Iraq?

Easy question to answer--so long as The Obam-une only presents the Obama side. Or, more exactly, presents this week's Obama position.

The better debate is not Obama vs. McCain, but rather Obama vs. Obama.


There never were any WMDs, all's left are a lot of dead people - blues over Baghdead.


Lucky us, lucky them...


The funny part is that Obama is going on and on about McCain following Obama's lead, all the while he is writing from Afghanistan where McCain sent him ha ha.


I don't criticize Obama's Online Newsletter (aka The Swamp) for presenting only one side of this question.

If I wrote for the OON, and had to reconcile Obama's many positions on Iraq, I'd make sure the McCain side wasn't presented.

The slanted coverage is merely a sign of how Obama's media supporters believe their candidate needs to be propped up, by making sure a fair debate never happens.


Sometimes there isn't a side and there is just the truth. Obama was clearly most informed on Iraq from the get go -- can't see how it could be argued that Iraq was successful in any way, including the "surge," which wasn't some brilliant five-point strategy. It was the addition of troops. Why did more troops have to be added? hmmm.
McCain has always supported the war, which has been an utter disaster from day one and bumbling mess along the way.


Sorry Brucie, Obama has been very consistent about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. McCain is the one who has shifted positions. It is interesting that Bush is now trying negotiations with Iran, he's talking about drawing down troops in Iraq and increasing troops in Afghanistan...all things that Obama has consistently called for. And McCain, good little Bushlicker that he is, of course supports Bush in this--meaning that they have both adopted Obama's position! Vote for Obama.


I assume that all the Obama gibberish was written some-time ago before he and his bevy of left-wingers went to the middle east. Obamas fighting experience was on the south side of Chicago. McCain was in the USN. Take your pick


You don't have to ask the American people who's right about Iraq. Ask Iraq. The Prime Minister has already stated that he support Obama's plan for troop withdrawal with 16 months.

If the Iraqi people support Obama's plan, why is there debate?


Hey McCain, al Qaeda has minimal influence in Iraq. Intelligence trumps experience any day. We have 185 days until Obama is sworn in as our 44th president of this great Republic. whiteagle38


Chaffer and dicker over the day-to-day inflections in the rhetoric.

Big indisputable point is: Barack was right from Oct. 2002 about Iraq.
Lucky guess?
Yeah, just like winning the Senate and winning the nomination were just lucky flukes. Repuglicans, keep dreaming. You and Rip van McCain will be in for a surprise.
One thing that bothered me today was the suggestion that only 10,000 increment was proposed for Afghanistan. Surely that's far too few, given the open resurgence of Taliban. They're truly worthy of eradication.
Gen Shinseki, Gen Powell: what would they advise Barack??
Instead of a town hall meeng with McCain, perhaps Barack should conduct a town hall meeting with Eric Shinseki and Colin Powell.


Quippy- actually, I hear that Bush surrogate and others there were given the run around by Iran...things never even took off, and Iran was given a very serious warning from US about uranium.

What says Obama now? Who can remember what he's said already.....back and forth.

Now, I guess the press over there was just a tiny bit to eager to make a story out of Maliki's words. I guess the Flip Flopper got a bit of his own brand of politics back at him ha ha.


hey truth defined, maliki has already said he was misstated, just read it on drudge, that is not what he had said, and maliki wants the us out as soon as possible but if we did it the way obama wanted to do it, there would have never been a surge and we would have just withdrawn all the troops without caring what maliki wanted, what mccain wants to do is withdraw but with us winning the war, not leaving like we did in viet nam, like losers. but then who knows what he wants, he changes his position every day, he now sounds like a republican, he only went over there for photo opts to use for his ads when he comes back, and what does that say that he has over 300 people advising him on foreign policy alone, hes an empty suit, and leave it to obama he just has to have a speech and they have to organize the make sure that thousands show up for it in germany, so this can be broadcast back here to once again make it look like he is some rock star, poor hillary, now I know how she felt. like bill clinton said, he is a fairytale!!!!!


Neville Chamberlain gave us "Peace in our time"

Obama wants to give us "Withdrawal in our time"

Think about it "Peace vs Withdrawal in our Time".

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com


LIBERAL DEMOCRAPS ARE TRAITORS TO THE USA. VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2008

In the last 50 years, liberals(LIKE OBAMA) have sided with every enemy that America has had.

Viet Cong troops were loved by Hanoi Jane and Hanoi John and you liberals supported the communist troops over those of us that were drafted and had to go over there

Communist USSR - Stalin was called "Uncle Joe" by Liberals (commie loving scumbags) while he exterminated close to 25 million people.

Cuba - Fidel a folk hero loved by liberals everywhere

Venezuela - Chevez, another communist dictator revered and loved by liberals

Terrorist Nations and terrorist groups (they're peaceful people who hate women / anyone who's not in their particular sect / behead people / blow themselves up as well as children

2. Show their complete hatred of any thing patriotic and Christian

3. Teach children that perverts are living an alternate and wholesome lifestyle.

4. Believe that murderers and other deviates are just mis-understood people that shouldn't be in prison. "If only we could have a talk with them and point out how their behavior disappoints us"..... this also works with terrorists, maybe they just need a timeout!

5. Liberal support of illegal scumbags causing crime, getting free medical care, subsidized housing and food, free schooling all paid for by us taxpayers.

6. Demanding and passing laws that give criminals more rights than victims.

7. Yesterday one of you liberals on here posted saying you were looking for a site that was something like "f&^k the troops" and saying that they wanted to find the site and say how much they supported them. Proving again that you phony liberals don't really "Support Our Troops" its just another pack of PC lies covering up your hatred of this country.

And many more ways.... They want to change America to the "new communism" as some of you liberals have told me (being anonymous here allows you liberals to state what your goals actually are).

Go to this site dedicated to the communist party: http://www.cpusa.org and see that they have recommended every liberal democrat candidate that has run for the presidency during the last 4 or 5 elections and probably more. Read the communist stated goals, compare them to the goals set by the democrats..... suprise! they're the same. UNLIKE LIBERALS WHO LOOK AT THIS AS A PLUS.....
I DON'T VOTE FOR CANDIDATES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED BY COMMUNISTS.

IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM!!

Support Our Troops -> http://www.moveamericaforward.com/


The reason Democrats will not vote for Obama is because they are embarrassed of him, his life, his unfair tactics and his beliefs. And they still don't know all about him.

1. They don't want a candidate that has been in a twenty year relationship with Reverend Wright and the Trinity United Church of Christ.

2. They don’t’ want a candidate that has a twenty year relationship with Father Pflaeger as his compass in life

3. They don’t want a candidate that went to a church that supports Louis Farrakhan, an anti Semitic racist.

4. They don't want to defend Black Liberation theology.

5. They don’t want a candidate that lies about his relationship with Tony Rezko, the Syrian Criminal that sold his property to Obama and supported his campaign.

6. They don't want a candidate that could work with a domestic terrorist, William Ayers.

7. They don’t want a candidate that Hamas supports.

8. They don’t want a candidate that Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam support

9. They don’t want a candidate that has a wife that has just now realized she was proud of our country.

10. They don’t want a candidate that denies Florida and Michigan their voices

11. They don’t want a candidate that mentions 57 states in his speeches. 50 states in the USA and 57 states in the Nation of Islam (IOC website)

12. They don’t want a candidate that fights unfair and steals Michigan delegate votes from his opponent.

13. They don't want a candidate that is inexperienced.

14. They don’t want a candidate that considers it a loss to not to be able to attend his anti American, racist Church.

15. They don’t want a candidate that has a “non practicing” Muslim father, but avoids the entire discussion of his father.

16. They don’t’ want a candidate that won’t debate

17. They don’t’ want a candidate that misleads the youth with an ‘Obama girl and her behind in their face”

18. They don’t want a candidate that says he’s an African American and missed the MLK Remembrance Day and the Louisiana Black Caucus meeting

19. They don’t want a candidate that enjoys laughing at sexism

20. They don't want a candidate that switches his position on gun control, FISA, the war in Iraq, religion and government....

21. They don't want a candidate that showcases his daughters on TV shows.

22. They don’t’ want a candidate that has poor judgment.

23. They don’t' want a candidate named; Barack Hussein Obama

24. He is embarrassing.

25. He scares them to death.


The Iraqis like Obama because of his Muslim roots:

NY Times:
Saad Sultan, an official in an Iraqi government ministry, contended that Mr. Obama could give a fresh start to relations between the Arab world and the United States.
Mr. Obama has never practiced Islam; his father, whom he barely knew, was born Muslim, but became a nonbeliever. Mr. Sultan, however, like many Iraqis, feels instinctively close to the senator because he heard that he had Muslim roots.

“Every time I see Obama I say: ‘He’s close to us. Maybe he’ll see us in a different way,’ ” Mr. Sultan said. “I find Obama very close to my heart


The Iraqis like Obama because of his Muslim roots:

NY Times:
Saad Sultan, an official in an Iraqi government ministry, contended that Mr. Obama could give a fresh start to relations between the Arab world and the United States.
Mr. Obama has never practiced Islam; his father, whom he barely knew, was born Muslim, but became a nonbeliever. Mr. Sultan, however, like many Iraqis, feels instinctively close to the senator because he heard that he had Muslim roots.

“Every time I see Obama I say: ‘He’s close to us. Maybe he’ll see us in a different way,’ ” Mr. Sultan said. “I find Obama very close to my heart


"Truth Defined", turns out that story of the Maliki endorsement was a fraud. CNN reports,
"A German magazine quoted Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki as saying that he backed a proposal by presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq within 16 months.

"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months," he said in an interview with Der Spiegel that was released Saturday.

"That, we think, would be the right time frame for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes," he said.

But a spokesman for al-Maliki said his remarks "were misunderstood, mistranslated and not conveyed accurately.""

But who expects truth, good grammar, or even 4th grade spelling ("within" spelled "with"), from an Obama supporter?


Clearly not Obama, the Iraqi government issued a statement saying they DO NOT agree with his plan for withdrawal. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/iraq_maliki_obama_dc


Obama is right about Iraq. Obama opposed the war right from the start. McCain voted for Bush's misplaced priority in our fight against terrorism by going to Iraq. McCain is offering a "third Bush term" same failed policy that is going on in Iraq. Al-Queda's terrorist network is getting stronger by the day. Al-Queda's terrorist network led by Osama bin Laden could attack America if McCain gets in office. The longer we stay in Iraq the more chances of another 9/11 attacking our homeland because Bush took his attention away from war on terror.


Well, MSNBC is trying to paint it as tho the White House was behind Maliki's change of oppinion on that magazine story. They are suggesting, if you can believe this, that Maliki is flip flopping HA....of course they fail to go after OB flip flopping which has been UNREAL on every issue.


Der Speigel stands by its story on Maliki.


Alecki--Deep Breaths, you'll get through this, the Obama presidency isn't expected to last more than eight years.


Well, the 'retraction' was issued by Centcom. Don't you think they could be a little more subtle about who is doing the retracting?


The German magazine didn't get the wrong translation on Maliki's desire to follow Obama's 16-month troop withdrawal plan. Bush and McCain have both been put in an embarrassing spot by the report and now they're attempting damage control and being very clumsy about it to boot. This will all blow up in their face, making it an even bigger story than it already is.


Some think Maliki credited Obama for something, even in the version that the magazine misquoted, I didn't hear Obama get all this praise.

We'll have to wait and see what Maliki actually said.


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